Opened 14 years ago
Closed 14 years ago
#397 closed defect (fixed)
flavor sum over different masses passes through unchecked
Reported by: | fbach | Owned by: | kilian |
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Priority: | P2 | Milestone: | v2.0.5 |
Component: | core | Version: | 2.0.4 |
Severity: | normal | Keywords: | |
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Description
I observe an awkward instability of the total integrated cross section of LHC single top production in the t-channel from intrinsic bottom and valence quarks (i. e. signal process 'u b -> lbar v d b') when further (insignificant) non-signal processes are included in the process definition (refer to 'foo.sin' and 'foo.log' attached for further description):
1) the signal processes (ubdb/bubd) converge well and have stable x-sec's ~1000 fb
2) the non-signal processes with b -> bbar (ubdbx/bubdx) still converge acceptably, giving ~10 fb
3) summing over these processes in the process definition (ubbdbb1 - ubbdbb4) spoils the convergence and makes the total x-sec (containing the signal!) drop drastically
4) this is very sensitive to the LOWER cut on |eta| of the light jet, i. e. convergence problems and dropping of the x-sec get worse in the forward directions
5) it depends on the initial beam assignment: ubbdbb1 still converges to the expected x-sec while ubbdbb2 - ubbdbb4 show the described instability
6) same observations hold for replacing u -> c and d -> s for the non-signal (bbar) processes, but no problems when crossing the light down- and up-type quarks in the initial and final state
7) for tbar production (signal process 'd bbar -> l vbar u bbar'), this instability under addition of small non-signal processes vanishes entirely (cf. 'foo2.sin' and 'foo2.log')
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comment:1 Changed 14 years ago by
Milestone: | → v2.0.5 |
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Owner: | changed from ohl to kilian |
comment:2 Changed 14 years ago by
Component: | vamp → core |
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comment:3 follow-up: 4 Changed 14 years ago by
One question: are you using the newer SM.mdl files which do no longer contain the Hss and Hcc couplings for the phase-space setup?
comment:4 Changed 14 years ago by
Replying to jr_reuter:
One question: are you using the newer SM.mdl files which do no longer contain the Hss and Hcc couplings for the phase-space setup?
I was running on the latest trunk, so I think everything was up to date...
comment:5 Changed 14 years ago by
Status: | new → assigned |
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Good example. I have to see how to find the right phase space here.
comment:6 Changed 14 years ago by
A second look, less superficial:
(1) All results are crap, look at the efficiency. (Maybe the cross section value is ok nevertheless.)
(2) The processes ubbdbb1 and ubbdbb2 can't possibly work unless the b mass is zero. But they remind me of re-activating the check for illegal flavor sums.
I have to check these with the modified phs module.
comment:7 Changed 14 years ago by
Priority: | P2 → P1 |
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Severity: | major → blocker |
Summary: | instability of total cross section under addition of unimportant additional processes → flavor sum over different masses passes through unchecked |
There are two problems here:
(1) The check for identical masses in flavor sums is missing (I'll add this)
(2) O'Mega rearranges the final state, with fatal consequences (#404)
comment:8 Changed 14 years ago by
Priority: | P1 → P2 |
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Severity: | blocker → normal |
comment:9 Changed 14 years ago by
What about the tau masses in the self test examples? The lepton alias includes them, but the tau mass is not zero.
comment:10 Changed 14 years ago by
Ok, the alias is only in the cut, not for the process. Understood.
comment:11 Changed 14 years ago by
Resolution: | → fixed |
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Status: | assigned → closed |
The mass check works, and the flavor-sum ticket is closed (#404).
Probably connected to the phase space tickets 389 and 390.